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MFL Podcast #9: The legendary Ulisses Jr. on his biggest lessons learned

MFL Podcast #9: The legendary Ulisses Jr. on his biggest lessons learned

In this podcast, I interview champion bodybuilder Ulisses Jr., and we talk about…

  • How to use diet to break through plateaus and get bigger and stronger.
  • The prevalence of steroids in this industry and why you need to be careful who you take advice from.
  • Ulisses Jr.’s top 3 lifting tips for building an impressive physique.
  • The importance of being positive and surrounding yourself with positive people.
  • Ulisses Jr.’s newest all-inclusive workout program GET MASS.
  • And more…



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  • Steve Pittelli

    I was really surprised to hear him say he likes lifting in the 15+ rep range. I’m really looking forward to your next book on mixing the 4-6 and 8-10 rep range

    • Michael Matthews

      He does start all workouts with heavy lifting but remember someone at his level is going to train quite different than you or me.

      • Steve Pittelli

        Yeah very true. Do you have a confirmed month yet for when Beyond Bigger, Leaner, Stronger is going to come out?

        • Michael Matthews

          The launch should begin in about 3 weeks. I’m currently gathering all a TON of goodies to give away to readers that buy on launch day. I’ve got a LOT of cool stuff!

          • Steve P

            Oh that’s awesome, can’t wait!

          • Michael Matthews

            Thanks! 🙂

  • James

    Great show but it really does annoy me that he claims he’s natural. It’s so blatant and it really goes give people false hopes on what is naturally achievable. Keep up the good work anyway mike!

    • Michael Matthews

      I actually didn’t want to talk steroids as I’m not interested in the controversy–I’d prefer to just focus on the positive things that we can all benefit from, you know?

      • James

        Great reply mike. Such a noble man!

        • Michael Matthews

          Thanks James. 🙂

  • anon

    Good podcast thanks Mike. How do you feel about him saying high reps and low reps and also the “finishers” he mentions? I mean 50 reps finishers! Doesn’t that go against the BLS ethos and the best way for a natural to train? Or is it something that just works for him? I mean like you often say “if you have more juice left do another 1-3 sets off x/y/z…”… sometimes i can and sometimes i feel like i;ve overtrained if i do…? thanks

    • Steve Pittelli

      I thought the same thing about the “finishers” – I feel like Mike probably wanted to jump in and say “are you kidding me!?” haha

      • Michael Matthews

        Haha yeah that’s a bit extreme for me but he likes it.

    • Michael Matthews


      Yeah that’s overkill in my eyes but remember what works for him won’t necessarily work for you or me.

      He also does emphasize heavy training and did even more on his way up to his current physique.

  • Jim

    I’m sure you hear this all the time mike, but you are such an inspiration to me! It’s so refreshing to have Information that actually works! I really hope you carry on with the posts. It’s so helpful for me and I imagine so many others! All your books are amazing and can’t wait for the new bls! Anyway, just wanted to show my gratitude to you! Keep it up man!

    • Michael Matthews

      Thanks so much Jim. I really appreciate the kind words. Much more to come! 🙂

  • Guest

    for some reason i can’t load the video on your site or on youtube

    • Michael Matthews


  • Nathan Hanak

    It sounds like you and he both agreed on one compound strength lift of maybe 4-5 sets of a 4-6rep in each day’s workout. Is that the “best” way to build strength? I’ve been doing multiple in one workout.

    Mine might be entirely built of those compound 4-6ers with a few 8-10R sets in a different lift. Like, in one of my upper body days I’ll do a 3S 4-6R of weighted (40lbs) pullups and then after will do a 3S 4-6R military press supersetted with the same type with an upright row. Is this OK or should there only be one per workout? Also I’m aiming at strength, then size.

    • Michael Matthews

      Yeah emphasizing heavy weights is important, and especially important for your first 3 – 5 years. At that point you’ve built so much muscle and strength you can kind of “get away” with higher rep work.

      What you’re doing is totally fine. I will be talking about periodization in my next book, which will contain an advanced, periodized version of BLS.

      • Nathan Hanak

        Awesome, thanks for the response. I’m about to buy BLS as I still consider myself new to “lifting”. But I’m curious, I did an earlier version of P90X videos with freeweights for about 2 years. I lost weight and got toned but didn’t really change much physically after the first 90 day run through. I sought to get bigger and stronger about 6 months ago I started doing a version of DeFranco’s Westside for Skinny B- program before then incorporating some of your ideas. Am I still in the “newbie” gains area or have I blown it by improperly doing P90X for too long?

        • Michael Matthews


          P90X is okay for home fitness but it isn’t going to deliver the results they use in their marketing.

          You’ll make newbie gains if you’re new to heavy compound lifting.

          • Nathan Hanak

            You’re right about that. It got me started on being healthy, but after doing it 3 or 4 times, I realized I wasn’t going to look like Tony by just doing that. Good news! Thanks!

          • Michael Matthews

            Yup. He’s definitely a weightlifter.

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